tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post6881562992042589769..comments2024-03-07T10:17:41.979+00:00Comments on the tap: Who Owns The Bank Of England?Tapestryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comBlogger135125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-68297466610321750632014-10-14T07:46:29.286+00:002014-10-14T07:46:29.286+00:00I have just started to open my mind and read about...I have just started to open my mind and read about all of this.<br /><br />The one question that keeps springing to mind is what can ever been done about this seemingly impossible situation?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-61018173095308225352014-06-26T14:19:42.414+00:002014-06-26T14:19:42.414+00:00Bank of Canada is owned by the federal government....Bank of Canada is owned by the federal government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-9454388964487295862014-05-22T20:43:12.267+00:002014-05-22T20:43:12.267+00:00Is there anyone here aware of the existence of the...Is there anyone here aware of the existence of the Cerntal Bank of Britain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-3652781496387387812013-08-25T01:47:13.160+00:002013-08-25T01:47:13.160+00:00This documentary explains a lot about debt based m...This documentary explains a lot about debt based money systems and private central banks. as viewers will learn, The Federal Reserve in the USA, a privately owned central bank, follows very closely the models of the old European central banks.<br /><br />http://youtu.be/aI3at6mQ_x0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-31667169402206889142013-04-04T12:51:51.965+00:002013-04-04T12:51:51.965+00:00It all make sense.
Who owns China money?
Does the...It all make sense.<br />Who owns China money? <br />Does the BOE or federal reserve pays tax on the interest earned. If so, it makes sense to give some back. Also if shareholder dies, do they pay inheritance tax? <br />If a debtor goes bust, can they waive the loan?<br /><br />Or are they exempt of their own/government laws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-62592089290762403222013-01-07T20:23:10.222+00:002013-01-07T20:23:10.222+00:00Countries that issue their own debt and receive th...Countries that issue their own debt and receive the interest, normally are extremely successful financially. Those that permit growing debt to outsiders, well, most kids of eleven and up, can understand that problem.<br /><br />I suggest a read of the History of the Rothschilds in recommended reading in this blog. They created the gilt edged market. That's the admitted official history of course. There is another version which might challenge many 'on the face of it' dressing up jobs such as who actually gets the interest from British taxpayers and who really runs British government finances. But at least let's start with the official history, which you might not yet be aware of.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-1999466196664137222013-01-07T20:15:08.109+00:002013-01-07T20:15:08.109+00:00"The bank should be called The bank of Rothsc..."The bank should be called The bank of Rothschild. They are the ones who receive the interest."<br />----<br /><br />Except you don't have any evidence that they do.<br /><br />You don't have the (supposedly secret) list of shareholders, remember? <br /><br />And the list of shareholders doesn't even matter though, as you say the beneficial owners are all that count. <br /><br />So why believe any of it?<br /><br />You say Rothschilds......and claim evidence doesn't matter.<br /><br />That looks like a serious prejudice against Rothschilds. oh well.the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-33250410928930446492013-01-07T20:04:05.208+00:002013-01-07T20:04:05.208+00:00"If the country could issue its own bonds, th..."If the country could issue its own bonds, then the interest would accrue to the country not to a group of elite bankers"<br /><br />--<br /><br />The country does issue its own bonds. <br /><br />It's just not allowed to buy them off itself because that would be a licence to print money - unconstrained by markets.<br /><br />Seems to me the exact reason the BoE can't buy the bonds the Government issues is because that would be self-evidently stupid under the market system - as it excludes the market entirely.<br /><br />If OTOH you want to propose a social remit for the BoE then that's fair enough - let's have the BoE buy all the British government debt.....problems solved! But that's quite different to complaining it is owned by the Rothschilds and set upon exploiting the people of Britain for narrow, self-serving, private interests.<br /><br />So, against all the evidence, you're arguing the BoE is owned by the Rothschilds and that the BoE should be able to fund UK Government debt, as it wishes........or rather, as the public wishes, perhaps? That's what socialists would want from a central bank, you know?<br /><br />I tend to support a socialist position, but if a central bank supplies its own government with money, without any market intervention, what will be the likely outcome?<br /><br />We'd need rely on management overcoming self-interest (via the market). <br /><br />You don't strike me as a socialist.<br /><br />Yet you want to remove the market from being a factor in how much money a government can borrow? <br /><br />By allowing it to lend to itself. <br /><br />Are you sure?the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-64448033496444138532013-01-07T19:45:43.400+00:002013-01-07T19:45:43.400+00:00Ownership is divided in law -into the legal or nom...Ownership is divided in law -into the legal or nominal holder of title, which is officially secret to some extent, and denied with fervor by or on behalf of potential other owners, in the case of the BoE. The other part of ownership is the beneficial ownership, which is the party to whom the benefits accrue.<br /><br />This arrangement allows the money to flow to the next generation of beneficial owners without it affecting the legal or nominal title, when parties die.<br /><br />Those with the power to exercise authority within the organization are the Directors whose job it is to act in the interests of the beneficial owners who are the private parties who receive the interest on the bonds issued.<br /><br />If the country could issue its own bonds, then the interest would accrue to the country not to a group of elite bankers, who lurk in secret behind the front door of the Bank Of England. It is misnamed. The bank should be called The bank of Rothschild. They are the ones who receive the interest.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-33982221058005123622013-01-07T19:27:03.179+00:002013-01-07T19:27:03.179+00:00"If the bank was allowed to issue money, ther..."If the bank was allowed to issue money, there would be no problem."<br /><br />What do you mean? <br /><br />How would/should the BoE "issue money" in your view?<br /><br />Do you want the Bank to hire helicopters and start dishing the stuff out of the window? <br /><br />If not by helicopter, then how?<br /><br /><br />-<br /> "As it is, it [interest] accrues to the Rothschilds<br />-<br /><br />And yet there is no evidence that the BoE is owned by the Rothschilds.<br /><br />If you had some evidence that the BoE is actually owned by the Rothschilds that might help.......but in fact there's only evidence that the BoE was nationalised long ago.<br /><br />-<br />"The one who derives the benefit is indeed the real owner, the beneficial owner, whoever the legal or paper owner may be."<br />-<br /><br />But if that is the case, why does it matter whether the BoE is privately owned or not? It seemed important to you, but now seemingly none of that matters as it is "the real, beneficial owner" whom gains, no matter what the legal or paper-ownership" might be"!<br /><br />Well, again that's awfully useful for your argument, isn't it?<br /><br />Nevermind that the evidence says the facts are otherwise to what you claim - you just say the facts are suddenly irrelevant.<br /><br />What you're saying is, it doesn't matter what any evidence might suggest .....the facts are that Rothschilds will gain from an essentially dishonest foundation of the BoE, and the rule of law, and documentary title to property, and blah blah blah.<br /><br />All actual evidence which says otherwise is discarded - just so you can support your prejudice that Rothschild gains....somehow. <br /><br />the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-45821830452046731942013-01-07T19:04:10.943+00:002013-01-07T19:04:10.943+00:00I'm sure I have said it already, but I do resp...I'm sure I have said it already, but I do respect this blogger in so far as s/he will actually allow dissenting views. <br /><br />There aren't many places out there that support this kind of stuff but which also allow dissent.<br /><br />That's one reason I am so skeptical about such places and their pronouncements. <br /><br />At the very least, this blog allows reasonable dissent. I appreciate that and commend you for it. (even if little else ;)) the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-44995811674070784972013-01-07T18:59:49.976+00:002013-01-07T18:59:49.976+00:00Last name left wrote -
The BoE raises financing f...Last name left wrote -<br /><br />The BoE raises financing for government by issuing government bonds *to the market*. The private market provides the funds.....and it's they that receive the interest.....not the BoE.<br /><br />TAP - correct. That's the point we're making here. If the bank was allowed to issue money, there would be no problem. The interest would accrue in the country's favor. As it is, it accrues to the Rothschilds, who own 80% of all the wealth in the world. The one who derives the benefit is indeed the real owner, the beneficial owner, whoever the legal or paper owner may be.<br /><br />The legal ownership is partly secret, as it is.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-28666118889978219712013-01-07T16:14:43.007+00:002013-01-07T16:14:43.007+00:00But the claim isn't merely that the private-ow...But the claim isn't merely that the private-owners' identity is a secret - rather the claim is that the private-ownership is a secret (as is their identity, also).<br /><br />Absent any evidence at all -- such as the identity of the owners -- why believe it is privately-owned? Why?<br /><br /><br />You said: <br />---<br />"In whose interests is it that the bank issues and lends money to the country or other banks and charges interest for doing so?"<br />--<br /><br />But the BoE doesn't "lend the country money." It isn't allowed to.<br /><br />The BoE raises financing for government by issuing government bonds *to the market*. The private market provides the funds.....and it's they that receive the interest.....not the BoE.<br /><br />And if the BoE lends money to private banks (or holds some of their deposits) why should it not charge or pay interest from and to those banks? [And isn't that a critical part of BoE's role in setting interest rates?]<br /><br />You say:<br /> <br />-<br />"Either way private people make the gains, not the people who elect the government of the UK."<br />-<br /><br />That's not strictly true. If the BoE lends money to banks it charges them interest. That's effectively income for the Treasury ie the taxpayer/citizen.<br /><br />The problem running through this page is that several things are getting mixed up together - such as the ownership of the BoE, and how it operates. They're entirely different things: ownership is distinct from operation.<br /><br />The big idea here is that supposedly the ownership of the BoE effects its behaviour - it is supposed to be serving the interests of this cabal of malignant owners, rather than the people of the country. To great cost etc. <br /><br />And the evidence (supposedly) is that the bank is privately-owned, and run as if it were -- by charging the country interest to pay for its currency -- and privately pocketing all the real dough for themselves.<br /><br />Except, none of that happens -- the BoE doesn't operate as claimed, and there is simply no evidence for private ownership.<br /><br />So why believe it? <br /><br />People believe this stuff because they believe in some grand conspiracy....and peoples' belief in grand conspiracy leads them to believe this stuff. It's an (obviously?) circular form of belief.<br /><br />Nevermind there's actually no evidence for something.....the 'real' evidence is all secret, apparently. Ah. How neat. <br /><br />Alongside denial of the evidence which really does exist, such a reliance on "secret evidence" is simply a contrivance for believing anything at all.the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-34925987492130936192013-01-07T11:00:12.267+00:002013-01-07T11:00:12.267+00:00The element of secrecy leaves many things open to ...The element of secrecy leaves many things open to question. Legal ownership is not the same as beneficial ownership. In whose interests is it that the bank issues and lends money to the country or other banks and charges interest for doing so?<br /><br />Or borrows money from others through the BIS and pays the interest to them? Either way private people make the gains, not the people who elect the government of the UK.<br /><br />We imported the Dutch central banking system when William of Orange came over, and pushed out the last of the kings who thought he had to raise taxes to make war.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-82382781551903919192013-01-07T10:32:14.631+00:002013-01-07T10:32:14.631+00:00Anon says the shareholders are kept secret.
So, t...Anon says the shareholders are kept secret.<br /><br />So, the evidence which supposedly shows it is privately-owned is secret......yet you still conclude it is privately owned. <br /><br />But how can you know that's true if the supposed information saying so is "secret" and unknown?<br /><br />And why ignore all the available evidence which says IT IS NOT PRIVATE?<br /><br />The US FED is private - no secret about that.<br /><br />The BoE is NOT private - no secret about that either.<br /><br />If you purposely ignore the evidence which actually exists, and instead choose to believe in things for which there is no evidence, then you can reach whatever conclusion you like.<br /><br />This is what you are doing here.<br /><br />You have no evidence for it being privately owned but plenty for it having been nationalised. <br /><br />Yet you choose to believe WHAT YOU WANT - that it is private.<br /><br />What's the point in just believing whatever you like? the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-52224246475292428272013-01-07T07:20:08.319+00:002013-01-07T07:20:08.319+00:00The shareholders are kept secret for a good reason...The shareholders are kept secret for a good reason. It is a trust and the equitable shareholders must be kept secret for their own security. It is my belief that the living people born on English soil are the equitable shareholders, just as we are the shareholders in our own government. They hold our birth right in trust. They gave us the birth certificate so we could work for them because we had to get valuable consideration. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-21851577880507692742012-09-20T00:46:08.800+00:002012-09-20T00:46:08.800+00:00For a lot more about banking, finance, fake fiat r...For a lot more about banking, finance, fake fiat reality, real reality, economics, and indeed, exopolitics, please feel free to pop over to our website:<br /><br />http://www.occupythebanks.com<br /><br />For what it's worth, I can confirm the facts in this article.<br /><br />People interested in this article, would be well advised to spend a week going through our Bankster Briefing sections (particularly in this context, the first set; central banks.<br /><br />Oops, almost forgot, we have another site live now, we hope you understand it, but if not, you soon will: http://www.open-transactions.comThe White Rabbit! :~)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15690635567534796509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-71045496617473388802012-08-24T19:25:33.065+00:002012-08-24T19:25:33.065+00:00BTW - I agree with the sentiment in Tapestry's...BTW - I agree with the sentiment in Tapestry's first comment. <br /><br />I just think democracy (and everything else) is better helped by accurate information, not rubbish.<br /><br />There is surely some fine sentiment behind some of the comments here, but there is also an awful lot of ignorance and myth.<br /><br />And anti-semitism......<br /><br />One needn't invent problems to justify seeking a more just world.<br /><br />Indeed, chasing phantasms will surely breed injustice.the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-46330893806053649592012-08-24T19:17:49.887+00:002012-08-24T19:17:49.887+00:00No they're not paid by the Rothschilds. They&...No they're not paid by the Rothschilds. They're paid by the taxpayer.<br /><br />Tell me, why do people keep voting in support of all this? <br /><br />There are alternatives - especially if the world is as corrupt and conspirational as you lot believe.<br /><br />And yet people don't vote for alternatives. <br /><br />Why?<br /><br />According to people here it's all so obvious - and evil - and even Satanic. Yet the general public vote and consume as they do.<br /><br />So why?<br /><br />And then, considering people do vote as they do, why do you need to posit a grand conspiracy (Rothschilds etc) which is needed to keep it all going along? <br /><br />It doesn't really make sense, does it?<br /><br />Just like this thread - asserting private ownership of BoE when all the evidence says it is state-owned.the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-50810788247601319022012-08-24T12:34:12.047+00:002012-08-24T12:34:12.047+00:00@ Anon 11.21 Our justices are paid by their mast...@ Anon 11.21 Our justices are paid by their masters the Rothschilds.<br /><br />Good Honest MPs? You wont find them. There are a handful and they are never let near the Cabinet.Henry North London 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/14748991488145468593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-32697791291428402042012-08-24T11:21:01.049+00:002012-08-24T11:21:01.049+00:00Why has no authority taken the Rothschilds to cour...Why has no authority taken the Rothschilds to court for conspiracy to economically destroy countries by economic instruments and make them open their accounts and prove their innocence we will then I believe put them away for a long time.The trouble is our country justices are chicken shit and of coarse are in the grip of the Rothschild.If this situation is not sorted out the third world war will be upon us soon and the Rothschild will make millions more,unless their blown up as well,it will never end until we do something about it ,talk is no good.action is needed by our justice system and some good honest MP's if there is such a thing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-69384763781103385062012-08-23T17:41:55.208+00:002012-08-23T17:41:55.208+00:00American destruction of global banking system.
Do...American destruction of global banking system.<br /><br />Does anyone have any thoughts on why the Americans chose to spread toxic debt bombs into global banks?<br /><br />American rating agencies gave AAA green light to toxic mortgage bundles which have destroyed the western banks balance sheets with unknown liabilities.<br /><br />Was this because US wealth was diminishing?pal-ladionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-49592359159027174362012-08-23T17:30:26.922+00:002012-08-23T17:30:26.922+00:00Failed leaders
Why do we repeatedly have bad lea...Failed leaders <br /><br />Why do we repeatedly have bad leaders the world over? <br />Any grouping will naturally form a hierarchy. Those at the top of the pyramid are self serving and have a lesser drive to benefit the majority. It is in their interest to manipulate the majority in order to retain privilege and power. The veneer of democracy has little effect on this. The rich get richer and greed knows no bounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-39793054807698209692012-08-13T18:10:02.044+00:002012-08-13T18:10:02.044+00:00you can make a law that the rothschilds are not mo...you can make a law that the rothschilds are not more powerful than the law or the government or the legal system, or you can face the reality that if one family owns 80% of all the wealth of the whole world, and have all governments heavily in their debt, the power relationship is other than it appears on neat documents filed in the desks of obedient pension-dependent civil servants.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-85536933292199340292012-08-13T13:31:40.997+00:002012-08-13T13:31:40.997+00:00Which would you believe - the statutory legal posi...Which would you believe - the statutory legal position or the ramblings of people going on about Satanism and anti-semitism?<br /><br />lol. tough choice.....the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.com