tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post8584126682778042024..comments2024-03-07T10:17:41.979+00:00Comments on the tap: The 2010 Election Will Be RiggedTapestryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-57109286056566425212010-02-03T18:00:39.567+00:002010-02-03T18:00:39.567+00:00Funny that, but I bet I have been tapped for a lot...Funny that, but I bet I have been tapped for a lot longer than you. See my post of Tuesday 2 February. It is going to be increasingly nasty. Personally, I think that Labour has been on a scorched earth game for some time. If they did win then they would find it impossible to clear up their own mess.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-23246637070176581452010-02-01T20:06:07.027+00:002010-02-01T20:06:07.027+00:00I don't know what a spiv is in this context.
...I don't know what a spiv is in this context.<br /><br />Pearson deliberately misrepresents information in a way which is provable. The offer he made to Strathclyde was not the one he claims it was.<br /><br />I can't see much point in going on with this thread any further.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-29620185085036305552010-02-01T19:33:24.672+00:002010-02-01T19:33:24.672+00:00By mid term more underhand damage (viz the EU) wil...By mid term more underhand damage (viz the EU) will be done.<br /><br />You are also muddying the waters about Pearson (who I previously had no time for ).Twig was talking about a deal before the election. You are talking about something after .<br />If we dont know what Cameron stands for, we cant vote for him. He is not a good risk. He is a spiv with form.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-39973677272567333792010-02-01T19:20:33.166+00:002010-02-01T19:20:33.166+00:00@Tapestry
Why do you say he's a crook?@Tapestry<br />Why do you say he's a crook?Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04009720896102685678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-44938774417367436242010-02-01T18:47:09.710+00:002010-02-01T18:47:09.710+00:00Pearson's a crook. He said that UKIP might st...Pearson's a crook. He said that UKIP <i>might</i> stand down (and might not) if Britain were to leave the EU.<br /><br />An in/out referendum may or may not be won by OUT. Take note. You still need MPs to pass the laws that get us out. A referendum is not sufficient.<br /><br />People must stop telling me they know what Cameron will and will not do. They don't know. I don't know. No one knows.<br /><br />Pearson's a slimy creature who is acting as Britain's enemy by lying as to what happened. There is no deal that can be done with a liar, let's face it. He might at least have tried to be honest, and not misrepresent a simple conversation.<br /><br />What a loser that man is. At least Farage had some idea where the trees became the forest. Pearson plants them but is clueless. He'd better get back and plant a few more. Spot The Loony is spot on.<br /><br />Cameron is a good risk until we know otherwise. At that point the next best eurosceptic play is to dislodge him as leader mid-term.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-20501832942173749052010-02-01T18:32:42.909+00:002010-02-01T18:32:42.909+00:00@Tapestry
Below is an abstract written by Lord Pea...@Tapestry<br />Below is an abstract written by Lord Pearson from my local branch's newsletter:<br /><br /><i>"As for the proposed deal with the Conservatives to stand aside at the 2010 election only, we knew that David Cameron was most unlikely to accept, because he is fully committed to membership of the EU. That's why he does not want an In or Out referendum. But - and this is important- we had to ask. By rejecting the deal he has proved that he would rather risk losing the next general election (because of UKIP's participation) than consult the people of Britain on EU membership. Next time a Tory cries: "Vote UKIP and you'll let in Labour," you can reply: "We gave them the chance and the Conservatives refused it. Roll on the election."</i>Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04009720896102685678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-31400087285972545932010-02-01T17:17:02.196+00:002010-02-01T17:17:02.196+00:00As I say, to get elected that is exactly what Came...As I say, to get elected that is exactly what Cameron must do. They have the power to propagandise him out of the game. Cameron must win the media. Only then does he have a chance of being elected.<br /><br />He may or may not actually possess the beliefs which would inform such an outlook.<br /><br />He is a good risk, as all others offer exactly no hope of any change.<br /><br />The EP elections saw all these small parties getting votes, but in the GE they are wasted votes, and will shrink their support.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-43883801797919924522010-02-01T16:55:56.788+00:002010-02-01T16:55:56.788+00:00If you elect the Conservatives/Cameron there is no...If you elect the Conservatives/Cameron there is no risk of them ;<br />1] Now knowing they can sweep the EU subject under the carpet.<br /><br />2] Saying "People aren`t interested in Europe it`s ..{insert subject }.. that they are concerned about.<br /><br />3] Being more afraid of upsetting the Nomemclatura of Europe than the British voter.<br /><br />4]renaging on every other promise about the EU.<br /><br />There is not just UKIP. There is the BNP, SNP, Plaid Cymru, English Democrats, The New Party, The Libertarian Party, SWP and others.<br /><br />The Labour/Conservative is the old battle. Dont let them get away with it.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-4968836969275054182010-02-01T15:55:21.038+00:002010-02-01T15:55:21.038+00:00Robin. No one knows what Cameron will do about th...Robin. No one knows what Cameron will do about the EU. He would have to be playing a double game to get this far, if he's eurosceptic at heart.<br /><br />It pays Ukip Propaganda Dept to pretend they know in advance. They don't.<br /><br />Likewise they ignore the fact that a Conservative vote has a second string. Cameron could be felled by a backbench coup, and replaced.<br /><br />Try to see all aspects of the situation,not just the one that plays well for UKIP. There are many federalists within UKIP itself, who are not so sure about EU withdrawal. <br /><br />Cameron is a good risk.<br /><br />UKIP is a dead end.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-19111526125410591622010-02-01T14:05:06.891+00:002010-02-01T14:05:06.891+00:00The Conservatives are promising nothing but inerti...The Conservatives are promising nothing but inertia over the EU. Keep quiet about it and hope it doesn`t rock the boat.<br />They will drag us further into the EU by the slowly,slowly catchee monkey way.<br />They know there are unlikely to be any new treaties in the near future so they offer that worthless promise .The backbenchers are hardly going to try to topple their spiv leader in the near future . They want the trappings of power and to advance in the provincial government.<br />Have the Conservatives even mentioned the extra we are to pay into the EU - as the first cutback of government spending ? We need to save money and they wont even mention that.<br />Why ? Because , like their waffle about renogtiation of powers back from Brussels, they cannot do that without a seismic shift in our relationship to the EU - so big it would be leaving it .<br />The Conservatives are a wasted vote .Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-60145059921222953052010-01-31T18:38:43.777+00:002010-01-31T18:38:43.777+00:00As I remember, the Conservatives have promised ref...As I remember, the Conservatives have promised referenda on any new transfers of powers. They will attempt a renegotiation to repatriate powers. They have not made any exclusion of referenda. On the contrary.<br /><br />You have the choice of a UKIP vote, guaranteed to be wasted, or a chnace that the C's might be the ticket we need.<br /><br />If they are not, we can have a try to fell Cameron and replace him from the backbenches.<br /><br />You have a possible of good result versus certain no result. It's merely a strategic choice.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-37835559743099755092010-01-31T17:16:06.275+00:002010-01-31T17:16:06.275+00:00They voted for a referendum but we dont get one if...They voted for a referendum but we dont get one if they come to power.<br /><br />We cant vote for that party.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-82004745072072545622010-01-31T14:12:34.147+00:002010-01-31T14:12:34.147+00:00The MPs in Westminster voted apart for a few absta...The MPs in Westminster voted apart for a few abstainers for the referendum on Lisbon. The new intake is only one third A List in safer seats.<br /><br />Cameron can be removed as easily as Maggie was, or any other Conservative leader.<br /><br />Party policy is decided by the Shadow Cabinet, and especially by the top group of the SC. But the leader can be got rid of by the MPs.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-20221702320238837512010-01-31T13:40:24.144+00:002010-01-31T13:40:24.144+00:00How do you know the EUrosceptics are in the majori...How do you know the EUrosceptics are in the majority of theConservative party ?<br />If so why doesn`t the Conservative party have a EUrosceptic policy ?<br />Why doesn`t it say it will hold a referendum on the LIsbon Treaty ?<br />(and thus why doesn`t it appeal to EUroscetic UKIP votes?)<br />How are you going to change Cameron if he doesn`t adopt the policies you want, and when ? 1 month, 1 Year, 5 years?Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-11807315969313819632010-01-31T05:59:05.494+00:002010-01-31T05:59:05.494+00:00Comments on Scotland and NI are best left to the l...Comments on Scotland and NI are best left to the locals.<br /><br />The Pearson offer was an offer to possibly discharge once Britain was out of the EU, not what you are suggesting. And even then it was only a possibility..in other words nothing was offered. Facts don't often stray into UKIP myth.<br /><br />It is sad that the people who believe they will help independence are acting in a way guaranteed to lose it, were they successful in your actions.<br /><br />There is a good strategy within the Conservative Party to get Britain out of Europe. Either Cameron satisfies, in which case keep him. If he doesn't, change him.<br /><br />The europhiles axed Thatcher mid-term. The eurosceptics are now the majority and could do the same. They only need to win an election. Help them.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-76798766619604491382010-01-31T03:19:13.863+00:002010-01-31T03:19:13.863+00:00Have you forgot Ukip offered to withdraw from this...Have you forgot Ukip offered to withdraw from this general election if Cameron held a Referendum on the Lisborn treaty and EU! All he had to is say aye and the Conservative pary would have had Ukip members votes! maybe blame the bnp voters but not ukip!<br /><br />Also the orange order in scotland are telling its members to vote Labour! as the scottish Conservative are in talks plans to break away from the main party and become pro independance party to save their own skins! so your losing orange vote there!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-22201592851717317232010-01-30T16:37:26.517+00:002010-01-30T16:37:26.517+00:00I would imagine they will have all bases covered.....I would imagine they will have all bases covered....bar one - their total incompetence with money.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30136383.post-44102411306071784272010-01-30T14:25:21.025+00:002010-01-30T14:25:21.025+00:00I agree, a very dirty business. Time to vote with ...I agree, a very dirty business. Time to vote with our wallets, feet, any other money and preferably mass rallying to get them out by any means necessary.<br /><br />If Britain can turn off its soap operas for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com